this isnt the first exchange response members of the development team have gotten regarding listing at a traditional centralized cryptocurrency exchange. i have to wonder what it is that creates that atmosphere? when the 51% crew was running wild and the collapse of a few ETH-based chains (or at least a reordering), i think that may be why theres an adversity towards accepting dagger algo currencies onto exchanges. ive resubmitted our package to bittrex, now that i have enhanced identity verification.
ive been diligently working on a new and uptodate working website for SOILcoin, and after a few hours of banging my head against the table, its finally coming along smoothly. i hope to have it finished for tomorrow, at least the basic bits of it. i have a new hatred for WIDGETS. but will try to at least find relevant ones.
i hope everyone is having a decent weekend!
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End of 2017 is quiet a while to go with POW, is there another option to secure the blockchain as to not getting hijacked by a 51% attack?
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As far as I understand we are now focusing on getting relistet on Bittrex as the other exchanges do not support ETH like coins during POW phase. Any chance to vote on Bittrex for SOIL?
the process to get relisted on bittrex is a nearly done thing. im presently waiting to hear back about a bit of an exemption to the changed volume (.5BTC day avg over a week) to what it was at before while we get our market back up and running. ive been dong a lot of work showing them that this project is still very much alive, some concepts of things im working towards in the short term…. im hoping we’ll know by end of the week, have our order board back up in place.
ive been working on updating our website best as i can around spring break here in the maritimes. entertaining my son when he was 4 was a CINCH. hes going on 7 now, the teevee isnt as adequate a babysitter. ive been working it up at soilcoin.wordpress.com as the cryptosoil.com site wasnt letting me really nuts and bolts edit. of course, wordpress is a bit of a learning curve, thus.. “under construction”
there have been many bad bad irish curses thrown at the computer the last few days over this silly thing. better than the corel website creation software id used VERY SUCCESSFULLY before to build the SOILex website, id gotten things close to where i liked it and the whole thing crashed, taking 8 hours of work with it. i THOUGH id saved it as id gone along. turns out mondays dont give a damn about that sort of thing…
End of 2017 is quiet a while to go with POW, is there another option to secure the blockchain as to not getting hijacked by a 51% attack?
theres several options we can take, and some of them require a level of trust or minor centralization. ive done a fair bit of reading on the situation, and ill tr to have something written up as son as ive figured ot how to kill it with wordpress. having an up to date and position-centric website is central not only to ensuring our relisting at bittrex, but ensuring that we can reinvigorate the brand of SOIL and bring interest back towards the developments and applications we will be making.
read a fair bit today regarding the “decentralized capital” set of solidity contracts that are used to bring stable “digital-fiat” onto the blockchain which is backed by an accounted real world asset set in an account. one of my biggest dreams for SOIL is a commodities index and trade platform, and the idea of VETTED crypto-stocks, and fiat/crypto gateways are an important part of enabling blockchain usage for real world events.
i love the name of their difficulty algorithm adjustment: the “flux difficulty algorithm”. i havent had the time to compare their blockchain protocols to ethereums to understand what they mean, as his explanation states tat both of their algorithms look at the previous block times to prevent spikes and valleys in block difficulty, nless the flux algorithm is looking beyond just the last block? it sounds like a good solution to blocktime issues, and preventing ice ages, but it wont prevent 51%+ attacks on te blockchain. thats measured in hashing power against the system, which is simply attracting more miners to the system, or finding a way to have more official Core Dev mining power against the system. i cant help much in the mining, i have an… adequate… desktop computer with onboard graphics that SUCK. and an issue therein that gives me nothing but grief trying to fire up ethminer. i DO keep my CPU mining going overnight but thats a drop in the bucket, bandwidth wise. i DO look forward to when SOILcoin can be run with a hybrid POW/POS workload, that i think prevents centralization by either mining farms or whale wallets from having control of the system. i dont think that our current POW scheme is perfect, but it was what was available to work with on an ethereum based blockchain when we launched our mainnet less than two months after ETH.
i havent had the chance to really dig too deep into how Ubiq is running, or how that diff algo is working for them, have you been following the project? maybe reach out to them and see how its working for them. what sort of stress tests have they experienced? with a STABLE and responsive difficulty adjustment set, and the retargetting rules naturally set in homestead, i think we may find a better tuned blockchain that may allow some competitiveness for big-data-crunching application development.
i should be done our new web site by tonite. god willing. between march break and suddenly everybodys friend wants a tattoo with a long soulful detailed consultation beforehand…
In setting up the new SOILcoin website (which will be uploaded to soilcoin.altervista.org temporarily until i can figure out how to dump the whole package on the registered cryptosoil.com website) Ive had the chance to start looking into how to increase both our avaliability and our presence.
To that end Ive launched our chatroom on Telegram. () There are lots of “bots” being developed on Telegram and is someting that we should take advantage of. Ive noted that Zcash has a Wallet bot running on Telegram, for instance… and there are lots of games which we might adapt for usage with SOIL currency. Ill leave it running on my desktop and cellphone if anyone ever needs to get ahold of me desperately right now sorta thing.
Ive also JUST BARELY STARTED figuring out how to set up our own forum, where Ill keep copies of our user guides, FAQs, etc. as well as open discussions for mining, community issues, announcements, etc. So far, the task of SETTING UP the subboards looks like its going to take a fresher brain than I have this evening, but as soon as I have it set up, we will have fresh discussion board available at soilcoin.forumotion.com I’l update the OP with those links as soon as im able.
My aim is to bring SOILcoin and our project more out into the public awareness as much as possible, and hope that these small steps along the way assist us in that.
In setting up the new SOILcoin website (which will be uploaded to soilcoin.altervista.org temporarily until i can figure out how to dump the whole package on the registered cryptosoil.com website) Ive had the chance to start looking into how to increase both our avaliability and our presence.
To that end Ive launched our chatroom on Telegram. () There are lots of “bots” being developed on Telegram and is someting that we should take advantage of. Ive noted that Zcash has a Wallet bot running on Telegram, for instance… and there are lots of games which we might adapt for usage with SOIL currency. Ill leave it running on my desktop and cellphone if anyone ever needs to get ahold of me desperately right now sorta thing.
Ive also JUST BARELY STARTED figuring out how to set up our own forum, where Ill keep copies of our user guides, FAQs, etc. as well as open discussions for mining, community issues, announcements, etc. So far, the task of SETTING UP the subboards looks like its going to take a fresher brain than I have this evening, but as soon as I have it set up, we will have fresh discussion board available at soilcoin.forumotion.com I’l update the OP with those links as soon as im able.
My aim is to bring SOILcoin and our project more out into the public awareness as much as possible, and hope that these small steps along the way assist us in that.
Seems that the route UBQ followed at least was effective, they were added to cryptopia, guess that if you will update your code to prevent attacks, could hope to be added there too.
Telegram channel is inactive, can’t write anything, thanx for all efforts.
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Hi,
any news on the relisting on Bittrex?
@abvhiael: is it feasible to implement the mechanism from Ubiq to prevent attacks – until ETH POS is ready?
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So, it’s POW or POS coin at the moment? Is there any difference between etherium and SOIL?
Is there any difference between etherium and SOIL?
i didnt really respond to this part of your question the other day, and id like to now. ethereum, as a blockchain, is a great thing, the technology is something absolutely incredible. and i think thats why theres been a lot of new ETH-based clones popping up recently, Ubiq, Uther, Elementerum, etc. And its wonderful to see people leveraging the open source smart-blockchain for other purposes.
BUT.
ethereum is becoming more and more centralized, and the acrimony between the Ethereum Core and Ethereum Classic groups is still ridiculous politics that hampers the ubiquitous growth of the overall ecosystem. ethereum is becoming more and more… well… CORPORATIONALIZED. look at the ethereum enterprise initiative, the backers and funders of this are the same people that have controlled and centralized policy surrounding banking for years, and in the end, ETH level smart-blockchain technology in that arena is going to become very privatized, centralized, controlled and censored, etc.
SOILcoin is and will remain an independent blockchain. i believe we can leverage many of the smart contract suites that are built on ethereum, and repurpose them towards a more humanitarian purpose. i believe SOILcoin can be an evironmental hub, and that what we can build may one day be a benefit to humanity. i dont take a wage from this. there are no corporations putting money in my pocket. im dedicated to SOILcoin because i believe in the PROMISE of the EVM.
i know that much of what i envision is several years ahead f where technology is today. and the challenge is to biuld up in small ways that can scale out to the larger applications. im not working on SOILcoin to get rich. i wish it COULD make me rich, i wont lie. i live on a small pension and paying bills every month is a challenge. i dont have a fancy mining farm churning massive ammounts of hashing power against the system, in fact for some reason my computer just hates GPU mining, and i do run CPU mining on the system, but i never find a block.
im constantly looking into what we CAN build on SOIL. how to make it more accessible. i wasnt a coder or a programmer when i came on board the project, but i learned solidity and serpent, i spent more hours than i can count, many of them banging my head on the desk, deploying projects like SOILex and figuring out how to run and maintain the BTCrelay. im still constantly looking at contracts and platforms, seeing how they work and how we can use them to build a more accessible and robust currency.
but we’re small. we’re the underdog. we’re not the cryptocurrency of the guys who want to dazzle you at conferences with big promises and justifying a take home pay of thousands of dollars in pay every month. we’re the guys who want to build programs to design more efficient wind or solar farms, or to utilize the power of the blockchain to fuel climate prediction, or to provide a platform with reliable uptime and low costs to run those autonomous conditions on a precision-farming agricultural business, or a decentralized library of sustainable and renewable agriculture.
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Ok, how can I help? I think ethereum need more diversity, well established crypto currencies like SOIL can have their fair slice of ethereum volume and I don’t get it why corporations and exchanges hate agriculture so much. SOIL can be a dogecoin of ethereum.
Ok, how can I help? I think ethereum need more diversity, well established crypto currencies like SOIL can have their fair slice of ethereum volume and I don’t get it why corporations and exchanges hate agriculture so much. SOIL can be a dogecoin of ethereum.
well, the easiest thing to do right now is help get SOIL relisted on the exchanges. bittrex will relist us, but theyd like to see more community demand. the easiest way to get your voice heard there is on their slack channel (slack.bittrex.com) and by messaging bittrex-bill and bittrex-julian (who is also one of the devs behind Ubiq, whos excellent Flux Difficulty Adjustment Algorithm will become a very important part of the SOILcoin blockchain parameters going forward past Homestead on block 2,000,000)
cryptopia would be another great exchange to get on, and especially thanks to their stand AGAINST ethereum and the DAO rollback. i made the same arguments when the crisis was ongoing, and believe wholeheartedly in teh immutability of the blockchain. ive made a support ticket request there with as much detail as i could, and will be writing up an [ANN] thread this evening on their forum pages, in hopes of introducing SOIL to that community and building some support.
if you want to really get your hands dirty, we can always use help within the core development circle, we could really use a social media guru who >GETS IT< cause i sure as hades dont. theres lots of projects to build on the blockchain and not enough hours in a decade to get them all done. you dont need to be a superguru blockchain prodigy, i didnt have much of an idea about how the system ran when i came on board as community director in the first days of the project, and have since learned solidity and serpent and have fallen in love with smart contracts, and perhaps thats EXACTLY what SOILcoin needs, and SHOULD be.
grassroots cryptocurrency. the realization of SIMPLE decentralization. butting the ideal of the technology and how it can benefit the planet before worrying about how it can simply benefit the pocketbook.
now,, i dont think big corp hates agriculture, its one of the fastest growing industries escpecially in terms of precision automation. projects juch as the MIT co-lab’s FOOD COMPUTER could be run autonomously or remotely via the SOIL blockchain with a lasting ledger of referrence for the system to perfect conditions from… transactiv’s micro grid solar electricity project would fit on SOIL, with our preceptive direction, like a glove.
if you want to get overinvolved and obsess over this project 60+ hours a week for little to no pay, drop me a PM!
just to update regarding our work to get SOIL listed on an exchange and rebuilt the liquidity of this project, we have a couple announcements. as marty has announced for awhile, SOILcoin will be migrating to the Homestead release protocols of Ethereum (1.3.5) at block 2,000,000.
as of block 2,000,100 we will also be increasing the distribution curve of SOIL to 3SOIL per block, which should stay stable into where we can implement Casper or another PoS protocol. that will be one of the primary focuses going forward, to find the most appropriate path to that, simply because a PoS distribution schemata is entirely factors more environmentally responsible fashion.
marty’s latest update for gsoil is available via github:
we will have a more comprehensive announcement andn update instructions written up for this later today
this will create a great deal more security on the SOILcoin blockchain, a more robust difficulty retargetting algo for more reliable blocktimes, and ensure that we remain compatible with protocol changes and smart contract API adjustments available thru open source developments on ETH.
with BITTREX i have remained in conversation with julian, who is also involved in teh Ubiq project whose Flux Difficulty Algo we are watching and building towards implementation. due to SOIL being delisted, we need the community to let them know that you, as a community, want SOIL relisted there. bill and richie have stated that the easiest way is to chat about it on the bittrex slack instance, (slack.bittrex.com) and not to just pop in and say “you guys should list SOIL cause its wikked kewl!” but to let them know why SOIL is important to you, what projects we are building towards brought you into an interest in SOIL, or simply WHY we are so wikked kewl, our independent blockchain and our principles stated toward its immutability, or talk up the projects we are wanting to build, anything. PM bittrex-julian and ask him to consider relisting SOIL.
i LOVED bittrex, and i was proud when we were listed there. there isnt the feeling of impermanence with their project. and i have laid my soul bare to julian regarding that, and my dedication to this project. i know i failed the entire community when my health took a nosedive and i was forced into hospital. i have been putting in hours every day working on SOIL again, hoping to rebuild this community, not because i have the illusions that this project will ever make me rich, but because i truly believe in it. and i think we offer something completely different, right down to our core values as a community, than most cryptocurrencies offer.
i am also working diligently to get SOIL listed at cryptopia. theyve changed their listing requirements recently, and offer a package wherein you can BUY the listing. firstly though, i should explain why i think cryptopia will be an amazing fit for SOIL. they took a stand regarding the DAO fiasco with Ethereum Core and delisted it. They stood by their principles regarding the immutability of the blockchain and voiced similar concerns regarding the eroding of decentralized decision making with that blockchain, as well as issues related to how a recursive blockchain effected their own internal operations blockchain.
cryptopia features a decent marketplace, which allows sale in ANY supported altcoin, which may open up niche markets for SOILcoin, or a chance to begin producing markets for small community things (a simple idea my wife had: selling heirloom flower seeds on the marketplace for SOIL) cryptopia also features a decent arbitrage page and gives us a decent list of exchanges to focus our attentions upon. (although nova exchange is only supporting BTC and LTC derived currencies presently) the mining pool area there gives us the opportunity to gain a larger mining community, although from my discussions with one f their mods, it will be a bit of a job getting it up and running.
there is also a decent forum there, and ill be listing an [ANN] page for SOILcoin there to hope to build interest in the project and in getting us listed. they have two packages available for immediate listing and i would like to discuss and hopefully pursue those options as a community here. both are subject to “developer review” but i will be working hand-in-hand with them as much as possible to get this market opened for you guys.
the basic package is 2,000,000 DOT (DOT is listed at 0.00000039 BTC presently) and is available generally from Cryptopia (sort of their “house currency” as i understand it) but can also be bought at novaexchange and tradesatoshi, but tendds to be very expensive there. simply buying up the wall to 2 million DOT would cost nearly a full BTC to achieve, pushing the price to nearly 50 satoshi.
this offer would set SOIL up against 4 standard base markets (BTC, LTC, DOGE and Unobtanium) and provides both arbitrage tracking and integration to the market place.
the better package is 2,800,000 DOT and adds 1 month as a featured currency, a tipping bot and a reward slot. (explained in detail here: )
now, we arent a rich development team, but im going to start working towards this goal with what little bits i can funnel into buying DOT. if anyone wants to donate BTC or DOT towards this listing fee, i am going to set up a SOILcoin community exchange account at cryptopia and will use any BTC donated to immediately purchase DOT and keep a running tally as that balance changes towards the goal of listing SOIL at cryptopia. if we can convince the team there to list us without the need for purchasing a DOT package, all funds will be resold into BTC and returned. this exchange account will have its sole purpose to accumulate DOTCOIN for listing SOILcoin on the exchange, and in the future, to purchase featured currency slots, reward slots, tipping bot functionality or running provably fair lottos for SOIL on cryptopia. the account credentials will be shared to the core development team for SOIL and if theres a community member with sufficient trust rating and status that wants t ostep up and help administer that, it would be great.
the account, soilcoinfund has donation addresses: DOT : 1MzVbB5Ya5dVQSF4H4mssquLrX2wGbvxsV BTC : 1QFH54K6zAHifyWVVTVXHTGP28wDPvevtX
if youd like to donate in any other currency that cryptopia supports, for the purpose of purchasing DOT, send me a PM and ill generate an address for you to send it to. i cant find any DOT faucets or anything, but if i do ill post them. in the meantime, this evening ill get an [ANN] page up on cryptopia with the wallet links.
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just to update regarding our work to get SOIL listed on an exchange and rebuilt the liquidity of this project, we have a couple announcements. as marty has announced for awhile, SOILcoin will be migrating to the Homestead release protocols of Ethereum (1.3.5) at block 2,000,000.
as of block 2,000,100 we will also be increasing the distribution curve of SOIL to 3SOIL per block, which should stay stable into where we can implement Casper or another PoS protocol. that will be one of the primary focuses going forward, to find the most appropriate path to that, simply because a PoS distribution schemata is entirely factors more environmentally responsible fashion.
marty’s latest update for gsoil is available via github:
we will have a more comprehensive announcement andn update instructions written up for this later today
this will create a great deal more security on the SOILcoin blockchain, a more robust difficulty retargetting algo for more reliable blocktimes, and ensure that we remain compatible with protocol changes and smart contract API adjustments available thru open source developments on ETH.
with BITTREX i have remained in conversation with julian, who is also involved in teh Ubiq project whose Flux Difficulty Algo we are watching and building towards implementation. due to SOIL being delisted, we need the community to let them know that you, as a community, want SOIL relisted there. bill and richie have stated that the easiest way is to chat about it on the bittrex slack instance, (slack.bittrex.com) and not to just pop in and say “you guys should list SOIL cause its wikked kewl!” but to let them know why SOIL is important to you, what projects we are building towards brought you into an interest in SOIL, or simply WHY we are so wikked kewl, our independent blockchain and our principles stated toward its immutability, or talk up the projects we are wanting to build, anything. PM bittrex-julian and ask him to consider relisting SOIL.
i LOVED bittrex, and i was proud when we were listed there. there isnt the feeling of impermanence with their project. and i have laid my soul bare to julian regarding that, and my dedication to this project. i know i failed the entire community when my health took a nosedive and i was forced into hospital. i have been putting in hours every day working on SOIL again, hoping to rebuild this community, not because i have the illusions that this project will ever make me rich, but because i truly believe in it. and i think we offer something completely different, right down to our core values as a community, than most cryptocurrencies offer.
i am also working diligently to get SOIL listed at cryptopia. theyve changed their listing requirements recently, and offer a package wherein you can BUY the listing. firstly though, i should explain why i think cryptopia will be an amazing fit for SOIL. they took a stand regarding the DAO fiasco with Ethereum Core and delisted it. They stood by their principles regarding the immutability of the blockchain and voiced similar concerns regarding the eroding of decentralized decision making with that blockchain, as well as issues related to how a recursive blockchain effected their own internal operations blockchain.
cryptopia features a decent marketplace, which allows sale in ANY supported altcoin, which may open up niche markets for SOILcoin, or a chance to begin producing markets for small community things (a simple idea my wife had: selling heirloom flower seeds on the marketplace for SOIL) cryptopia also features a decent arbitrage page and gives us a decent list of exchanges to focus our attentions upon. (although nova exchange is only supporting BTC and LTC derived currencies presently) the mining pool area there gives us the opportunity to gain a larger mining community, although from my discussions with one f their mods, it will be a bit of a job getting it up and running.
there is also a decent forum there, and ill be listing an [ANN] page for SOILcoin there to hope to build interest in the project and in getting us listed. they have two packages available for immediate listing and i would like to discuss and hopefully pursue those options as a community here. both are subject to “developer review” but i will be working hand-in-hand with them as much as possible to get this market opened for you guys.
the basic package is 2,000,000 DOT (DOT is listed at 0.00000039 BTC presently) and is available generally from Cryptopia (sort of their “house currency” as i understand it) but can also be bought at novaexchange and tradesatoshi, but tendds to be very expensive there. simply buying up the wall to 2 million DOT would cost nearly a full BTC to achieve, pushing the price to nearly 50 satoshi.
this offer would set SOIL up against 4 standard base markets (BTC, LTC, DOGE and Unobtanium) and provides both arbitrage tracking and integration to the market place.
the better package is 2,800,000 DOT and adds 1 month as a featured currency, a tipping bot and a reward slot. (explained in detail here: )
now, we arent a rich development team, but im going to start working towards this goal with what little bits i can funnel into buying DOT. if anyone wants to donate BTC or DOT towards this listing fee, i am going to set up a SOILcoin community exchange account at cryptopia and will use any BTC donated to immediately purchase DOT and keep a running tally as that balance changes towards the goal of listing SOIL at cryptopia. if we can convince the team there to list us without the need for purchasing a DOT package, all funds will be resold into BTC and returned. this exchange account will have its sole purpose to accumulate DOTCOIN for listing SOILcoin on the exchange, and in the future, to purchase featured currency slots, reward slots, tipping bot functionality or running provably fair lottos for SOIL on cryptopia. the account credentials will be shared to the core development team for SOIL and if theres a community member with sufficient trust rating and status that wants t ostep up and help administer that, it would be great.
the account, soilcoinfund has donation addresses: DOT : 1MzVbB5Ya5dVQSF4H4mssquLrX2wGbvxsV BTC : 1QFH54K6zAHifyWVVTVXHTGP28wDPvevtX
if youd like to donate in any other currency that cryptopia supports, for the purpose of purchasing DOT, send me a PM and ill generate an address for you to send it to. i cant find any DOT faucets or anything, but if i do ill post them. in the meantime, this evening ill get an [ANN] page up on cryptopia with the wallet links.
Thanks for your support and for never back down, hope to see again Soil at Bittrex
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